From Human "Doing" to Human "Being": Transforming to Own Your 50

Leaders often have a lot on their plate, but their biggest challenge? Workplace drama. In this episode, we sit down with award-winning host of the Conscious Habit podcast, certified meditation coach, and President of Sandler Training Trustpointe, Amy Woodall, to discuss how calming the mind and focusing on the things we can control will help us own our part in the challenges we face, and get to the root of where results begin. She also shares her favorite podcasts and books to start your consciousness journey. 

Transcript

Candee Chambers:

Get ready, the DE Talk podcast starts now. Insightful conversations and dialogue helping you put the human factor back in HR.

Do you believe your life is a series of events happening to you or is life responding to you? Changing the narrative and how we communicate with self or the story we tell ourselves can have lasting effects on not only our ability to view the world, but also impact the roles we play and the individual surrounding us. While you ponder your answer, today's guest is truly an inspiring woman who claims she's just a messenger, given a voice to bring together realness and connection to self that people don't always feel comfortable talking about in a business setting. Given the passion behind her work, she is so much more. I have the pleasure of welcoming Amy Woodall to the podcast, an award-winning podcast host herself of The Conscious Habit, a dedicated educator helping to create conscious leaders and mindful cultures. Welcome to the DE Talk podcast, Amy.

Amy Woodall:

Well, thank you. I dig that intro. I'm like, can I get a copy of that? I want to share that with my marketing team, I think we need to copy that.

Candee Chambers:

Well, I have an outstanding marketing team, as you know.

Amy Woodall:

You do, you do.

Candee Chambers:

So it's so great to have you join us today, I'm really excited about this.

Amy Woodall:

Me too.

Candee Chambers:

I'll learn some more about you, so that'll be good. So given the impact that you've had on the DirectEmployers leadership team, we've known you now for several years, I don't think I have even scratched the surface on describing the work that you do, so take a moment to share with our listeners a bit about your background.

Amy Woodall:

Gosh, it's hard for me to even scratch the surface on the work that I do. I guess I'll kind of start from how did we get here, maybe jump ahead a little bit. For well over a decade, I have had the great fortune of working with just some really damn good companies, some great companies who they want to improve performance, they want to improve culture, and I would be hired in to work specifically with sales teams at first. We were working on sales performance, creating processes and common language to help up-level those sales teams. Then it began to lead through, okay, sales and operations and/or sales or service we realized hate each other in every language, in every culture, in everywhere that you go. So then the work, it didn't pivot, but there was an additional focus on how do we get operations and service, the executors of the teams, to speak this common language too, and how do we bridge that gap so that they see each other as customers?

Simultaneously, I was going through my own, I don't know if you'd call it spiritual awakening, I don't know, I just know that I was achieving more than I ever had and yet was not feeling that fulfillment that I believed would come from success. So it had me sort of being like, have I been lied to because-

Candee Chambers:

What am I going to do next?

Amy Woodall:

Right, I thought that once you make a certain amount of money or you have a certain title, that's when you get that sigh of relief and you're like, ah, life feels good, but that didn't happen. As I'm helping bridge the gap between sales and service and sales and operations, what I noticed was their biggest challenge was drama and leaders' biggest challenge was trying to put out the drama or manage the drama in these different departments. So I was being called to coach more often and what we really began to notice was that the drama began inward. Much like my search for fulfillment I thought existed externally, in truth fulfillment was an inside job and the stories I chose to believe and how much I liked myself, how much I accepted myself from where I was. I could see that that was the same stuff leaders were being faced with dealing in the drama all the time, that the drama began inside the hearts and heads of their people and they were being tasked with solving external problems that could never get to that root.

I'm coaching Conscious Habit, it didn't have a name by the way, I don't know what the hell we were going to call it, and one day a client looks at me and says, "Is this Sandler stuff we're working on?" because that was my background and where I spent so much time. I said, "It's not." They're like, "Well, what do you call this?" I'm like, "I really don't know. I guess we've been working on consciousness." So Conscious Habit was born really just out of-

Candee Chambers:

I like the name of it a lot.

Amy Woodall:

Thank you, thank you.

Candee Chambers:

Perfect.

Amy Woodall:

Out of that necessity of can we get to the root of where the results really begin?

Candee Chambers:

Interesting. Well, we've worked with you during the Sandler years and then during the new Conscious Habit years, and you have such an impactful message no matter what you do. So I mean, we will talk more about that, but that's why we wanted to have you here today.

Amy Woodall:

Thank you.

Candee Chambers:

You made an interesting comment, and it's what we run into with the recruiting or the talent acquisition staffs and the compliance staffs, they don't really get along real well. We try to bridge that gap and maybe we'll have some people call you to help do that. I try myself, but it's a challenge. I also know that you are a certified meditation coach.

Amy Woodall:

Sometimes mediation, to be honest with you.

Candee Chambers:

...meditation coach. What is your goal with meditation?

Amy Woodall:

Well, as I mentioned in that sort of awakening of how do I find this peace and calm within, for me, I realized that all of my dissatisfaction began with the voice in the head and not realizing that it wasn't me and believing everything it had to say. So I started practicing meditation just as a way to create some calm in the storm, and it was so impactful because what it allowed was for me to create space between the thinking and the realizing. That space between is awareness, and awareness is the start of any change that we want. That awareness molded into more consciousness, the ability to take on more ownership, more curiosity, more love for self. So I went through the certification, became a certified meditation teacher, and I don't teach it in studio settings or group settings, except for when I do our retreats every year. I do host a women's-

Candee Chambers:

I still want to go sometime.

Amy Woodall:

You will come. A High Vibe Tribe Retreat is what it's called, I get to co-host with a dear friend of mine. That's the only time I teach it in a group setting, but I became certified because there were certain clients where I'm like, I've got to teach them either how to breathe or mindfulness or meditation so that they can get that space themselves, they can create that space of awareness to allow those shifts to happen so that they can get to the root of where all of this drama begins, which is within.

Candee Chambers:

I've actually, just so you know, I've actually utilized your breathing exercises that we learned. Haven't done the meditation yet, but that's on my list.

Amy Woodall:

It's a big start. That's a big start, just keeping calm. I think especially if any listeners, and I mean I know for you, you definitely would put yourself in this category of high achiever, of just there's stuff to be done. What's the next thing? What's the next, how do we grow? We get so caught up in the doing, which it has a lot of satisfaction in itself, but it can be exhausting, that we forget the being. We are human beings, not human doings. So it's good on you for connecting to the being with just breath.

Candee Chambers:

That's interesting. We're not human doings, that's good, I like that. So let me ask you, how do you incorporate mindfulness practices into your work? What would you say to someone who says, "I don't have the time to incorporate mindfulness practices," like me, like the human doings? So what do you say to those people?

Amy Woodall:

Well, we incorporate it in small ways because I always think it's important to meet people where they are. You can't shove something down their throat if they're uncertain to it. You can challenge people and sort of challenge the narrative, but you cannot shove something down someone's throat. So the small ways are just teaching little just breathing exercises. You don't even have to close your eyes, you can just do this thing that we all do to stay alive, but let's just do it more intentionally, and so I'll teach them some breathing. I also like to teach people to be able to identify when their body is in fight or flight because there's a lot of times that our nervous system is not regulated and it causes us to make irrational decisions in our business and in our lives, it causes us to have more frustrations in areas that it's not really deserving because we're in a stress response. So I'll teach people how to regulate their nervous system through, it could be humming, it could be eye movements.

Candee Chambers:

Oh, I had a friend whose mom, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but it just brought back this horrible memory, I used to go to the lake with them every weekend when I was a kid. It was an hour drive and the mother whistled. Oh my gosh, if I hear somebody whistling today, it brings back immediate memories and I just feel like, you got to stop. But I couldn't say anything, I was 10 years old.

Amy Woodall:

It's immediately getting your body dysregulated over there, we can-

Candee Chambers:

Use some of these mindfulness techniques.

Amy Woodall:

Breathe, breathe. There's a joke in my household, not even a joke, one of my things is if I hear somebody chewing that I will imagine hugging their face with a pillow when they sleep. That is a sign that I am dysregulated.

Candee Chambers:

I love it.

Amy Woodall:

So whenever my husband's chewing and I just give him that look like, why?

Candee Chambers:

Want to be here in the morning?

Amy Woodall:

Yeah, he'll be like, "Have you meditated today?" Like, "No, I haven't, but that's neither here nor there." So there are things I think when we're not doing it, when we are dysregulated, our buttons, the things that just drive us crazy anyway, we all have them, but they get bigger and bigger and easier to push. So that's the way that I incorporate it into the work we do.

Candee Chambers:

Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, [laugh]

Amy Woodall:

You had a flashback, a little PTSD coming in for-

Candee Chambers:

Exactly, because of whistling. So tell me though about some of your favorite podcasts. Do you have any that stand out? Any favorite guests on your podcast?

Amy Woodall:

Oh, guests on my podcast, for sure, and then also favorite podcasts that are out there in the world. But guests on the podcast, so I have been a big fan of Cy Wakeman for a long time and I love her work because she also does drama work. So I get to quote her because she has this great phrase about people driving their BMWs.

Candee Chambers:

Oh, I know.

Amy Woodall:

Stands for bitching, moaning, and whining. So our work is similar in a lot of ways and our kind of spiritual philosophies are very similar. I reached out to her after I had three episodes, this woman's a New York Times bestselling author, I had three episodes and I reached out to her in a very genuine message and she said, "I would love to be on your podcast." That was a reminder to me of just ask. We create these-

Candee Chambers:

If you don't ask, the answer is always no,

Amy Woodall:

Always. We create rules and limitations for ourselves where they don't necessarily exist. So I love Cy's episodes, she has two on the podcast. We've had a lot of fun guests who bring different insights and backgrounds, probably a lot like you do. It is just fun to get to hear people's stories from them.

Candee Chambers:

Oh, it is, and you find how many things you have in common that you never would've expected and how many good stories there are.

Amy Woodall:

Yes.

Candee Chambers:

Okay, I'm going to have to listen to that. I'm going to get some information before we sign off today so people can hear some of these podcasts of yours as well. All right, so balancing life, whether it's work or personal, is something that everyone deals with and oftentimes emotions bleed into each area. If you're unhappy at home, you might be unhappy at work and vice versa. I think the goal of today's conversation is to share some insights into how we can help people own their shit and really be more mindful about their approaches in all areas. I think that's what people loved about you because you just come right out with it. So let's dive into owning your shit or owning your 50, and we talk about that a lot around here.

Amy Woodall:

That makes my heart so happy that it's talked about. In the work that I was doing in organizations and the drama work, what I could see was that people were putting their focus on the things outside of them that they couldn't control and they weren't taking any onus as to how they were a part of the problem that was created. Nothing is good or bad until we give it our definition. So if we've thrown our hat in the ring to say, "This frustrates me or I'm angry," we immediately have some ownership into that. I believe the more that we are able to take radical ownership, the more we're able to lean into joy and satisfaction and peace and love, and all the things we desire to have and to be. So the things we can own, how we think, but we can't even pay attention to our thinking unless we take the time to sit quietly.

You asked earlier, "What do you say to somebody who doesn't have the time to meditate?" I'm like, if you don't have the time, there's a saying that basically if you don't have 10 minutes to meditate, take an hour, because we need it more. We need it even more. So ownership is being able to see the thoughts and figure out why am I angry? Why does this frustrate me? Why do I believe this person is good or bad? Why do I believe this situation is good or bad? But again, we have to have the space to do that. Taking extreme ownership over our actions, over our emotions, those are the things that we are able to control. But if I'm only focused on you and, well you should have done this, and you should have, and they ought to, we are trying to control the things that we have no control over.

Candee Chambers:

That's my daughter's favorite comment, is only control what is within your ability to control. Can't control things that are beyond your ability.

Amy Woodall:

Right, and our satisfaction comes along with that too because if I'm trying to control things I literally have no control over, my happiness is always going to be in the hands-

Candee Chambers:

Of someone else.

Amy Woodall:

...of someone else, or an outcome, or outside of me. So to me, extreme ownership and that own your shit, own your 50 is basically like you can't own it for everybody else, you've got to own your part. That's where that came from. But to me, that's a big leap in us being able to just be more conscious, loving human beings on the planet who can contribute in greater ways and diminish the drama.

Candee Chambers:

Do you believe then that if the leader can accomplish that, they can in turn help their families, their employees, their teams, or whatever? I mean, you have to fix yourself before you can help fix anybody else.

Amy Woodall:

It all starts at the top because we also create the standards and expectations. If you have a leader like yourself who's like, "I hold myself highly accountable, I want people to call me out, I want to have transparency, I want to be vulnerable, I'm going to be honest with you," when you create an environment of that, a culture is just a collection of energies. It's a collection of energies. The spirit of our organization is based on the spirit of the humans who bring it together. If you have an authentic, somebody who's willing to own their shit at the top, that expectation trickles down.

Candee Chambers:

It's funny, we were talking about just having a balance, and just at our town hall meeting, I finally realized that everyone's talking about a work-life balance. I said, we're going to get rid of that terminology, it's going to be a life balance, because work is part of your life, but your personal life is part of your work. I mean, we need to focus on having a life and having a balance in your life, not a work and separate it from the rest of your life, because one relies on the other.

Amy Woodall:

I think that if anybody has that struggle of work-life balance, and I love that, it is like, we're whole humans, we take ourselves everywhere, it's because we're trying to live up to a standard that was either created by society or ourselves that is ridiculous. The biggest challenge is that we are not present for where we are. I always say, wherever your feet is, put your head there, because if you're at work, just be present with that work that's being done. If you're at home, be present with your kids. What often happens is we feel the guilt in between of I should have or I've got to or I need to, and that being out of alignment with presence is what creates that. We feel a lack of balance. Balance does not happen on a calendar, it begins in our mind and where our focus and attention is.

Candee Chambers:

Well, I agree with you and I think just this conversation, Amy, it's something we can all learn and we all also need to relearn. I was just reading an article yesterday about how important listening is for leaders, and I have certain people that drive me crazy and I say, "You need to listen to hear, not listen to respond." It made an interesting point in the article about when you're talking with someone in your office or wherever, put your phone outside of your reach so you can actually listen and actually have a conversation. I thought, I'm guilty of that. It was one of those things I need to relearn. I've heard that, but just simple things like that. I think this conversation is good for our listeners, but it's things that you need to be mindful of and you need continuous reminders as well. All right, let's talk about building trust as a leader or as a manager and what needs to happen to build trust with those people around you.

Amy Woodall:

I think this is the foundation of all good relationships. So if it's missing in an organization, you're going to know it and feel it somehow, some way. You're either going to see it through results, you're going to see it through turnover, you're going to see it through finger pointing and blame. Those are all indicators that we have a trust issue here. I love the book The Trusted Advisor, this is where my understanding of trust came from, is their trust equation, which is trust is credibility, reliability, and intimacy. Those three things are super important. Do I know my stuff? Can people rely that what I say I do, I'm going to follow through with? Do I create a safe space for people to share hard things?

All of that is divided by, or sort of the common denominator in that equation, is that we don't make everything about us. Because the more we're us focused, my way, what I need, etc, we're operating from the ego, my expectations. We are operating from the ego, which diminishes trust. So to build trust with another human, it does require presence and curiosity and leaning in and the ability to challenge, the ability to have them share things without you getting... Especially as a leader, if somebody gives us tough feedback, to really be careful not to feel like we've got to defend, and to stay open and to welcome in the challengings. Those are major leaps in developing trust.

Candee Chambers:

You also at one point made the comment that loyalty is a byproduct of trust. You unpack that a little bit. It's kind of like the turnover thing, and obviously people are going to be loyal in that situation, but anything else you want to add about that?

Amy Woodall:

When we know that somebody has our back implicitly, we are going to have theirs too. We're going to want to defend them when they're not in the room, we are going to want to defend the ideas, we're going to want to defend change. We are more likely to be all in because we feel safe and supported. When we don't feel safe and supported, then let's just say... Change is something leaders always bring to me of like, how do we get our team to adopt to change? Well, they've got to feel that it's safe and in their best interests, and if they don't, then they're going to be driving their BMW around and telling everybody. So yeah, it's easier to be loyal to people that we know love us and are all in on us and know us as humans and respect our work, and of course we're going to want to work harder and we're going to want to stay longer.

Candee Chambers:

It's interesting, years ago I had a manager who we were working on an affirmative action audit for a nuclear power plant and we were at the office till 9:00 or 10:00 every night. We had our aggravations with one another and we were kind of arguing, and I said, "I don't think that's the right way to do." She said, "That's what we're doing." I said, "But why?" She goes, "Because I'm the boss, that's why." I was like, oh. She was never really like that. Then the next night she said, "Okay, let's go get some dinner." I'm like, I don't want to go to dinner with her, but we did.

On Friday, we used to all go down to the cafeteria for lunch and come up to the HR Department to eat, and she came around and I got my wallet out of my purse, and I started to get up and she goes, "Where are you going?" I said, "Lunch, what do you mean?" She said, "No, you're not." I said, "Yes, I am. Why wouldn't I?" She said, "Because you're going home." I said, "I'm not going home." She said, "Yes, you are. You've worked so many hours this week, get your butt out and go home." I've never forgotten that. She was, to your point, that exact type of person, if she would've asked me for anything, I mean and she did stuff like that all the time, if she would've asked me for anything, I would've been there for her. That's loyalty and that's a perfect example, I think, based on what you were saying.

Amy Woodall:

I love that she didn't take advantage of your loyalty, because that's when it's truly earned, is that it's there and you're all in but someone would never take advantage of that fact, which that's a great leader.

Candee Chambers:

She's actually still one of my best friends. Retired for years now already, but that's the type of relationship you like to see among coworkers and management. All right, so what are three action items for individuals on the path of consciousness to get started?

Amy Woodall:

I would say download an app or go to YouTube or something, and just spend five minutes in the morning connecting to you. Just get connected to the being. You don't have to go out and hire a meditation coach or anything like that, but can you just spend five minutes with you in the morning. News alert, we are stuck with us every second of every day, there is no escape in us. We are our only guarantee. So if you find it hard to spend five minutes with yourself, well you're stuck with you forever, I think that's a sign that we've gotten too much into the doing and disconnected from the beings. That would be one recommendation.

Number two is find a buddy or a friend who's on the same path or journey because then you find that they're attracted to podcasts or books or resources or retreats that can continue to help along that space. We become who we hang around. If you're ready to feel more peace, hang around some peaceful people. If you're ready to feel more mindful or conscious, hang around some mindful or conscious people, they'll rub off on you.

I think the third one would be just take some time in the day to reflect. I mean, if we just do a little reflection of how do I feel today? Where is my energy? What's given me energy? What's taken it away? What are the things that have me frustrated? Creating that opportunity for more awareness and reflection, that is leveraging the 5%. Our brain is 95% unconscious and operating from old patterns, but that 5% of consciousness, if we leverage that muscle on a daily basis, we have a chance to make it 6% or 7%, and that is where growth really happens.

Candee Chambers:

Any bit of improvement is a good thing.

Amy Woodall:

Yes.

Candee Chambers:

I think we've gotten better during the remote work environment too, and that's what I wanted to do with the thought about a balanced life rather than a work-life balance. I'm recognizing that there's a lot more that's important in the workplace than just getting the work done. I think that, I mean, that's a really good comment about just spending some time just on you and trying to make yourself better and feel better about yourself. I think that would create a lot of benefit, to obviously the person, but to the organization as well.

Amy Woodall:

It really would.

Candee Chambers:

Putting your best foot forward, that can't be a bad thing.

Amy Woodall:

I think for every minute I spend in meditation, I gain five minutes back because it helps me declutter. I feel more clear, I feel like the right answers, I'm more connected to my intuition. Because I'm less stressed, I'm able to access the wiser parts of my brain because they're not clogged by the emotional part of my brain that's fighting for it. So in my mind, my belief system is I can't afford not to meditate, but everybody's on their own journey of what their first step looks like.

Candee Chambers:

I do find myself saying things I wish I hadn't said or doing things I could have done better, and I think we all probably do that and think later, you're driving home or whatever, going to the grocery store, and you think, why did I do that? That was really stupid of me, or I didn't handle that very well or whatever. That's probably why meditation could help me, if I would think through some of those things. Known you several years, so just keep working on me.

Amy Woodall:

Okay, we'll get there.

Candee Chambers:

All right, so to wrap it up, you always reference some books that have been really important to you every time I think we've been together. What are some of your favorites that you think our listeners might benefit from reading?

Amy Woodall:

I would say these are not for everyone, I think it depends on where you are in life and I believe that right books right time. So one that I specifically remember, I was driving down the road listening to this audiobook and I felt my perception shift and I have just not been the same human since then, and that was The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer. That's what taught me about the roommate in the head, that, hey, you've got this voice in there that's talking when you aren't and it's telling you all of these stories and you don't have to believe it. It was really just right time, right book for me. He's written several books and I think all of them are great. Untethered Soul, the Surrender Experiment, that's his autobiography, he shares about how he was being sued and investigated and how he just kind of kept this very zen, this space of surrender, where he just knew the greatest good would happen. So any of Michael Singer's stuff I think is excellent.

I'm a big fan of, I think a fun read is anything by Jen Sincero, and she's written the Badass books like, You Are a Badass and Badass Habits. I think it's a fun and easy read, and if you are an audible kind of person, I am an auditory learner, those are great listens. Then I think one that everyone who's ever read it loves is James Clear's book Atomic Habits and-

Candee Chambers:

Yeah, I remember you talking-

Amy Woodall:

There's a lot of good own your shit stuff in that of what are some additional things that we can manage and what are the patterns in our life? Every human, we are just a combination of patterns, and if we have some pattern recognition over what that looks like, we are able to make some major shifts happen.

Candee Chambers:

Okay. Funny thing when you commented about a badass, my daughter called me that one time and I was like, okay.

Amy Woodall:

What a compliment.

Candee Chambers:

That's kind of how I took it. I was like, I never knew that she thought that of me, so it was kind of fun. So anyway, rapid fire question time. So I'm going to go through a series of short, fun questions and all you have to do is say the first thing that comes to your mind. I have to tell you, I'm really loving this because you're normally on the other end when you're doing training and I get to do this with-

Amy Woodall:

It's true, it's true. You're like, come on, think quickly.

Candee Chambers:

What you got? Yeah, I'm excited. All right, favorite quote?

Amy Woodall:

If small things have power over you, that is what you become, small.

Candee Chambers:

Interesting, okay. Based on our conversation, that's perfect. I like that. All right, best career advice you ever received?

Amy Woodall:

Bounce away. Earlier in my career I didn't know what I wanted to be or who I was meant to be or what I was good at, and so I did all kinds of different things. Somebody said, "You're like a bouncing ball," and I remember that hurt my soul. I felt like that means I'm flaky. I called my mentor to say, "This is the advice I got." He said, "You're learning. Bounce away."

Candee Chambers:

Interesting. Mine was never define yourself by your job title, so I thought that was kind of interesting. Morning bird or night owl?

Amy Woodall:

Morning.

Candee Chambers:

All right, because I know you love an Instagram or TikTok find, what's your favorite purchase to date?

Amy Woodall:

Ooh, it's over there, I don't know if you can see it, but I am painfully influenced. I am a sucker for Instagram and I will buy almost any ad that pops up, but I have a leather laptop bag that I want to say, and it's like Chevron leather, it's really, really pretty, and I think it was one of those Magnolia... Who's the Magnolia lady?

Candee Chambers:

Chip and Joanna.

Amy Woodall:

Joanna Gaines, it was some sponsored ad that popped up from there and I was sold.

Candee Chambers:

I love it.

Amy Woodall:

It was a great investment.

Candee Chambers:

You've had it for a while?

Amy Woodall:

Maybe three years.

Candee Chambers:

Because I'm going to go looking for it.

Amy Woodall:

Yeah, it may be still around. Yeah, it still smells like leather.

Candee Chambers:

Yes, see that's what-

Amy Woodall:

That's my favorite.

Candee Chambers:

All right, this one's a good one. Inbox zero or inbox overload?

Amy Woodall:

Sister, you know why I meditate is because I've got about 26,582 unread emails.

Candee Chambers:

You and I are so much more alike than you ever knew.

Amy Woodall:

I have 500 unread text messages.

Candee Chambers:

Oh my God, I don't have that.

Amy Woodall:

Now, it's not unread, it's just that I didn't need to open them. There was no need to reply. So this is why I meditate, because-

Candee Chambers:

You need to.

Amy Woodall:

...it's a reflection of the chatter in the mind, that's what I believe.

Candee Chambers:

I love it, that's great. Well, Amy, thanks so much for joining me today. You know I always look forward to talking with you and I want to thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge with our listeners. You've given our listeners so many things that they can take back and apply to make a positive change in their personal and professional lives. If you enjoyed today's conversation, I highly recommend that you subscribe to Amy's podcast, The Conscious Habit, which we will link this episode transcript, or consider scheduling time with Amy herself to conduct some professional development activities with your teams. So Amy, if our listeners want to get in touch with you, what's the best way to do that?

Amy Woodall:

If you're on LinkedIn, that's definitely my jam. I would say find me on LinkedIn under Amy Woodall, and you can always-

Candee Chambers:

W-O-O-D-A-L-L.

Amy Woodall:

Yes.

Candee Chambers:

Just like it sounds, Woodall.

Amy Woodall:

Woodall, compound word, I remember learning in the first grade. They can email me also Amy@TheConsciousHabit.com.

Candee Chambers:

TheConsciousHabit.com?

Amy Woodall:

Yes.

Candee Chambers:

All right. Well, Amy, you know that we'll have you join us more here at DirectEmployers, and I love the fact that you were able to come in today and have this conversation in-person.

Amy Woodall:

Me too, thank you.

Candee Chambers:

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